This is the steep, ugly, loose-looking lump of lichen-covered choss with the big cracked red roof, 20m west from Crag W along the path and just to teh right of the grassy ascent/descent gully. A couple of wide bands of poor rock overwhelm the small amount of good solid rock high up. Pity. At nearly thirty metres, the route's almost worth doing. Double roping may help. Descent is via the grassy gully west of the crag.